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Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: March 6th, 2022, 10:10 am
by Bakken2016
https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/ ... 2022-03-06
Great, a drive up coffee place…. I can understand no lobby, but how hard would it be to add a walk up window…
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Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: March 6th, 2022, 7:13 pm
by Mdcastle
IRC the Mankato Dunkin' cited pedestrian safety due to them having to cross the drive-thru lane and security as reasons they didn't want to build a walk-up window. But the "Caribou Cabin" concepts that are going up everywhere don't seem to have any issues.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: September 22nd, 2022, 5:49 pm
by Anondson
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: September 22nd, 2022, 7:21 pm
by mamundsen
Hopefully this is the first of many to redevelop the whole Maplewood Mall super block. Interesting that they say there is a future road planned for the east side of the Myth property. That makes me think a new grid is planned out.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: September 22nd, 2022, 7:25 pm
by Mdcastle
Does anyone like shop at malls any more? I think it's been 10 years since I've been inside of one.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: September 23rd, 2022, 7:34 am
by Tom H.
Does anyone like shop at malls any more? I think it's been 10 years since I've been inside of one.
I go inside the EP mall
very occasionally, but it's ghost-like, outside of the movie theater. The biggest draws there (Target and Scheels) are not really primarily oriented to the mall interior, so they might as well be stand-alone.
Seems to me like most malls will follow one of two paths: (1) the Southdale path, with gradual intensifying of outlots, and integrating the mall proper as the centerpiece of a more urban-ish environment; or (2) the Brookdale path, a.k.a total redevelopment. I don't really see the middle ground / status quo path being feasible for most malls.
Seems like Maplewood Mall is candidate for (1), whereas something like Southtown is clearly on the path to (2). If I had to guess, I'd say EP Center and Rosedale are probably the most likely candidates to be successful Southdale-like intensifications, after Southdale itself. Transit connections seem key - Southdale gets the E Line, Rosedale has A Line, and Maplewood gets the Purple Line (hopefully). A better SWLRT connection to the EP Center would have been nice, but that ship has sailed.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: September 23rd, 2022, 9:23 am
by Trademark
Does anyone like shop at malls any more? I think it's been 10 years since I've been inside of one.
I go inside the EP mall
very occasionally, but it's ghost-like, outside of the movie theater. The biggest draws there (Target and Scheels) are not really primarily oriented to the mall interior, so they might as well be stand-alone.
Seems to me like most malls will follow one of two paths: (1) the Southdale path, with gradual intensifying of outlots, and integrating the mall proper as the centerpiece of a more urban-ish environment; or (2) the Brookdale path, a.k.a total redevelopment. I don't really see the middle ground / status quo path being feasible for most malls.
Seems like Maplewood Mall is candidate for (1), whereas something like Southtown is clearly on the path to (2). If I had to guess, I'd say EP Center and Rosedale are probably the most likely candidates to be successful Southdale-like intensifications, after Southdale itself. Transit connections seem key - Southdale gets the E Line, Rosedale has A Line, and Maplewood gets the Purple Line (hopefully). A better SWLRT connection to the EP Center would have been nice, but that ship has sailed.
Northtown still is decently busy and I'm sure the F Line will help it to remain busy. But it still has way too much parking and is ripe for some redevelopment of parking lots.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: September 24th, 2022, 7:03 pm
by Tiller
There were plans to build a hotel on an empty parcel west of the Myth (in addition to the Myth being replaced), though I heard recently they were changing that to apartments instead. I couldn't find that project in either hotel or apartment form on the city website.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: September 26th, 2022, 7:31 am
by Br4dM
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: December 1st, 2022, 12:07 am
by VacantLuxuries
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: December 1st, 2022, 9:48 am
by mamundsen
Have we seen the redevelopment plans? This mentions 500 apartments with 287 adjacent to the mall. That’s news to me.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: December 1st, 2022, 10:09 am
by VacantLuxuries
287 units is close to the 241 units proposed to replace Myth, but there's nothing else on the City of Maplewood's development project site.
I wonder if the current owner had as-of-yet unrevealed redevelopment plans in the works that they're including with the sale, in case the new owner wants to just pick up where they left off?
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: December 1st, 2022, 10:37 am
by mamundsen
287 units is close to the 241 units proposed to replace Myth, but there's nothing else on the City of Maplewood's development project site.
I wonder if the current owner had as-of-yet unrevealed redevelopment plans in the works that they're including with the sale, in case the new owner wants to just pick up where they left off?
That's exactly what I was thinking too! With the Sears on the south end abandoned and the Purple Line (hopefully) connecting to the site, you think it would be really attractive to redeveloping some of the empty parking lots and vacant store fronts.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: December 9th, 2022, 9:09 am
by at40man
Have we seen the redevelopment plans? This mentions 500 apartments with 287 adjacent to the mall. That’s news to me.
I spoke with Maplewood Mayor Marylee Abrams about this a couple months ago when we were chatting about Purple Line. Seritage (Sears building owner) is proposing to redevelop the Sears site with apartments, green space, and integration with Purple Line. I think this would be good for the mall as well.
I don't really do a lot of shopping, but Maplewood Mall has been been decently busy when I do go in there. Not Rosedale levels of busy but it seems to be holding its own. Sears wing still looks like a dead mall, though.
Re: Maplewood, North St Paul, & Oakdale - General Topics
Posted: December 9th, 2022, 11:13 am
by MNdible