18 West 15th Street - CPM development
-
- Wells Fargo Center
- Posts: 1331
- Joined: June 8th, 2012, 1:39 pm
- Location: George Floyd Square
18 West 15th Street - CPM development
New 6 story apartment building proposed for current surface lot in Loring Park:
http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups ... 184929.pdf
Looks nice.
http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups ... 184929.pdf
Looks nice.
Last edited by lordmoke on August 11th, 2016, 3:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: 18 W 15th St
Sweet. Easy access to 19.lol
Re: 18 W 15th St
Wonderful to see!!!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: 18 W 15th St
Looks like a nice infill project. But is it too much to ask to have the brick run full height (or at least to the first cornice) on the front massing?
Re: 18 W 15th St
Have we thought about what this loss of parking will do to our historic Market Bar-B-Que?
Joking aside, this looks great.
Joking aside, this looks great.
- FISHMANPET
- IDS Center
- Posts: 4241
- Joined: June 6th, 2012, 2:19 pm
- Location: Corcoran
Re: 18 W 15th St
More brick is, actually, too much to ask (at least full height, and it already does run to the first cornice).
I've been trying to confirm this (maybe someone like Archiapolis can confirm/deny it) but I heard from a source I trust that in a wood frame structure you can only use brick up to about 3 stories, because of the different rates of expansion/contraction in wood vs brick. Anything beyond that you're looking at brick facing (basically tile, some might call it peel & stick brick) which is actually more expensive than regular brick.
I've been trying to confirm this (maybe someone like Archiapolis can confirm/deny it) but I heard from a source I trust that in a wood frame structure you can only use brick up to about 3 stories, because of the different rates of expansion/contraction in wood vs brick. Anything beyond that you're looking at brick facing (basically tile, some might call it peel & stick brick) which is actually more expensive than regular brick.
Re: 18 W 15th St
Lol'd at how they call these "junior 1 bedrooms" in the project description.
Re: 18 W 15th St
I guess it depends on how you're counting stories and cornices, but anyway, I'd like brick to run up to the second-to-top story. Yes, there are limitations to how high you can cheaply use brick over stick frame, but they're not absolute, and I could live with peel-and-stick brick on levels 3-5 if that meant that the building would be more consistent with the rest of the neighborhood. We're not talking about the whole building here, just the front massing.More brick is, actually, too much to ask (at least full height, and it already does run to the first cornice).
I've been trying to confirm this (maybe someone like Archiapolis can confirm/deny it) but I heard from a source I trust that in a wood frame structure you can only use brick up to about 3 stories, because of the different rates of expansion/contraction in wood vs brick. Anything beyond that you're looking at brick facing (basically tile, some might call it peel & stick brick) which is actually more expensive than regular brick.
Re: 18 W 15th St
Also most brick manufacturers make their brick in both full and thin veneer now, so you could do a mixture to save money. It's really only corners in the thin that cost so much more. (Also labor for the thin is less)...
Re: 18 W 15th St
I think this looks great! I hope to see more develop in Loring Park. Sad to see no retail though.
- FISHMANPET
- IDS Center
- Posts: 4241
- Joined: June 6th, 2012, 2:19 pm
- Location: Corcoran
Re: 18 W 15th St
I was told that the opposite was true, that the thin brick is more expensive on labor.Also most brick manufacturers make their brick in both full and thin veneer now, so you could do a mixture to save money. It's really only corners in the thin that cost so much more. (Also labor for the thin is less)...
Re: 18 W 15th St
Nope.I was told that the opposite was true, that the thin brick is more expensive on labor.Also most brick manufacturers make their brick in both full and thin veneer now, so you could do a mixture to save money. It's really only corners in the thin that cost so much more. (Also labor for the thin is less)...
- FISHMANPET
- IDS Center
- Posts: 4241
- Joined: June 6th, 2012, 2:19 pm
- Location: Corcoran
Re: 18 W 15th St
I've already cited my source, what little it is, by talking to someone that works in the industry, and Nathan has worked in the industry as well, so he probably has firsthand knowledge.
But I'd be curious to see third party sources that talk about it, if they even exist. I don't really think either person is lying so I wonder if there are other factors involved in making it work or not.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
But I'd be curious to see third party sources that talk about it, if they even exist. I don't really think either person is lying so I wonder if there are other factors involved in making it work or not.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
Re: 18 W 15th St
I emailed my former boss who is now a masonry bidder for allstar construction to give approximate installed price ranges for both products.I've already cited my source, what little it is, by talking to someone that works in the industry, and Nathan has worked in the industry as well, so he probably has firsthand knowledge.
But I'd be curious to see third party sources that talk about it, if they even exist. I don't really think either person is lying so I wonder if there are other factors involved in making it work or not.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
My family has sold brick and stone for almost 30 years... *source.
Re: 18 W 15th St
Here's what I got back from Allstar Construction
Full Brick Labor 20-25$ per square foot
Thin Brick Labor 15-18$ per square foot
Full Brick Installed 38-42$ per square foot
Thin Brick Installed 35-45$ per square foot (dependent on the number of outside 90 degree corners)
*non union, residential pricing, but the proportions would be about the same.
Full Brick Labor 20-25$ per square foot
Thin Brick Labor 15-18$ per square foot
Full Brick Installed 38-42$ per square foot
Thin Brick Installed 35-45$ per square foot (dependent on the number of outside 90 degree corners)
*non union, residential pricing, but the proportions would be about the same.
- FISHMANPET
- IDS Center
- Posts: 4241
- Joined: June 6th, 2012, 2:19 pm
- Location: Corcoran
Re: 18 W 15th St
So the product itself is for sure more expensive, now that I think harder about it that may have been what he was referring to. But it looks like, at least from that quote, that price is probably a wash, but maybe if you tried to clad the whole upper portion of the building in thin brick it would get a little more expensive doing all those outside corners?
-
- Capella Tower
- Posts: 2625
- Joined: September 16th, 2012, 4:31 pm
Re: 18 W 15th St
Not sure of his source, but Nick sez this has an updated exterior: https://twitter.com/nickmagrino/status/ ... 8521618433
Red brick up to the 5th floor. Someone must have been reading this thread.
Red brick up to the 5th floor. Someone must have been reading this thread.
-
- IDS Center
- Posts: 4371
- Joined: February 8th, 2014, 11:33 pm
- Location: Marcy-Holmes
Re: 18 W 15th St
This is kind of a weird question but, what do they do with the power lines on this site?
Re: 18 W 15th St
They'll bury them. The line will probably go underground at the alley behind the building, then come back up at that first pole on the south side of 15th St.
Joey Senkyr
[email protected]
[email protected]
-
- IDS Center
- Posts: 4371
- Joined: February 8th, 2014, 11:33 pm
- Location: Marcy-Holmes
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest